Forum Posts. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined, thats what convinces me he is above TOAA. Humans that exist in a megaverse can't automatically destroy a universe in another fiction. . The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. When ranking the strength of characters the natural thing to go by first is physics. Bait? 1 year ago. The following is an overview of our Tiering System. ago. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. It would be the Inhuman/mutant beyonder powers so Post Retcon but not the trash Cosmic Cube one. Doom pressed a button which stole all the Beyonder's power. 8 years ago. 1 Answer. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. Searching. Name: The Living Tribunal Origin. Living Tribunal is beyond Eternity, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Shigaraki(My Hero Academia) fights an army of street tier DC and Marvel heroes. CryptoA registered-source only wiki that is built upon stolen concepts (They stole from a Russian Wiki called Anime-Fight Club which just like Vsbattles Wiki is biased against comics) and known for stealing loads of information from Outskirts Battle Dome and Google+ (from my friends) and trying to pass it as if they know the information themselves until. Servant tier -the gil that appears at fate stay night, fate strange fake and as a servant in fate go(not the alive gil). Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. So wow great feat. 0. 7 years ago. 0. Beyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his powers and abilities. We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Yeah,it’s been retconned . we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. Well, they are treated as the same character, the Beyonder who showed up post-retcon is, canonically, the same Beyonder who showed up pre-Retcon. A statement from Mephisto referring to that part of power as "so potenti is this. Join this channel to get access to perks:…R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Powers are basically the same thing. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". • Pre-Retcon Beyonder • Pre-Retcon Molecule Man-----Multiversal • The Living Tribunal • Gabriel • Beyonder • Molecule Man. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. #20. Origin: Marvel Comics. Doom did. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. They’re 50 tonners at most. Dr. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are. Cosmic Elvis. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. 124. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). . Scan 1 and Scan 2. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Tier 0/0 > Tier A. This is before Beyonder's drop in status so his current status is "Above Michael and Lucifer". I/O has a low-tier character that is on the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder and everyone, as in literally EVERYONE, even the. Especially Yujiro's penis. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. -All the fundamental force of the multiverse (including Oblivion, Living Tribunal, Death, Eternity) kneeling in font of Stranger when he sought to use the power of the Phoenix Force to recreate 'all that is' and make himself 'all powerful'. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. Pre-retcon Beyonder is his most popular matchup, or at least the one I see most often, but who's his closest?. Attack techniques and abilities: The Presence has many aspects including. 11,582. Special Conditions: None. Tier Sıralamasını benden iyi biliyorsan Elder Scrolls taki Dragonborn, Kratos ve Dante gibi karakterlerin tüm Mcu. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. 81. The Beyonder deafeated Doom-avec-Galactus' power and dissected him. She isn't on the level of Lucifer, or PR Beyonder, or anywhere close to TOAA. " -Robin Williams (Dead Poets Society) ~Member Since: 09/25/2009~. Jan 22, 2018. Round 2: Franklin wins. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. Forum Posts. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. Well even pre retcon beyonder. K. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. I can break this down into more detail. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. He could possibly neutralise Doc and Sun with science alone but the others are true top-end with actual god tier powers. I mean even Thor was cracking those versions, so unless the writers really wanted Beyonder-tier Thor I think it's pretty obvious that they weren't at 100% in those forms. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. the dunamis demiurgos is supposed to be a 1/half copy of the presence's power. Note these are just tier names they have no real meaning here to go into a tier you have to look at all stats and feats and who you can consistently hang with----- True God. Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. 3 years ago. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. let's wait and see his actual feats. xyrzrockrain. Nov 25, 2017. Matter of fact she doesn’t even beat Mister Mxyztplk. Beyonder and its not even close. 7 days to create the earth and heavens, vs instantaneous re-ordering of the cosmos. The same exact way Presence is the Supreme Being of the DC Multiverse. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. I have little knowledge on LT Unfourantlly other then he's a God Tier in. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. Also Beyonder obviously isn't mightier than TOAA virtue of TOAA literally being his author. Hence, in. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. So BeyonderGod Beyonder > Cynical DemonbaneSearch titles only By: Search Advanced search…Beyonder by feats however after thinking about it i think EGD should win. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. And then we have the fact that Living Tribunal is three times stronger than Multi-Eternity. M. 5 years ago. ^2 + DUR^1. Thirdeev. Business, Economics, and Finance. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within. Comparing Multi-Eternity to baseline High 1-B, like the Glory is, is like comparing 10-B to High 3-A, or Low 2-C to 2-A. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. With that said: Beyonder has ultimate authority in a void. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is a nigh omnipotent high tier multiversal reality warper there is no way in hell Anti-Spiral or even Simon could win against someone on that level of power. 7. My only question is: Is that Pre-Retcon. A desperate Molecule Man begins crying about the. Beyonder powered spiderman remade creation in like a nanosecond -. MayGodSmiteThee • 2 yr. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D multiverse. @majinmike: Because Beyonder is considered nigh omnipotence , even we assume they can adapt his power, they can still get '' unmade'' ,because they are not even high tier cosmic beings. 6. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. He beat the Living Tribunal. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. Wiki Points. Rick has tried to go toe to toe with one of his universe’s “gods” and it went. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. It should however be noted that sometimes having overall destructive capacity is not enough to defeat others that have "broken" or "hax" abilities. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and Multi-Oblivion & Oblivion (Pre-Retcon)?The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. Living Tribunal has been beaten by several characters that are weaker than. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. Tier= Universal+ | Creation. He wins. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itHe unretconned himself and became Omega Beyonder, being just as powerful—potentially even more stronger then his Pre-Retcon version form/version that he used to be. #15 Azronger. Wiki Points. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. The Source - Primal Monitor, The universal spirit venerated by the New Gods, which resides beyond the Source Wall. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel". Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. 12984. Reply. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor. 664*10^25. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Speed Equalized Round 1: Gauntlet Scenario Round 2: John. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. Bonus round : pre retcon beyonder vs Rimuru. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. Definitely Beyonder. @higherpower: I'd be delighted if you can name more than five people who can "blink" a Pre-Retcon Beyonder level character "out of existence. 0. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Hajun via feats and implied power. ProfessorRespect. Beyonder. ago. Although, if you forced me to choose one, i'd say Beyonder is a little above Molecule Man. Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. High 3-A. . The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Carey and JM De Matteis brought the guns, material and ammunition NEEDED to make DC the second-first tier most powerful fiction. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. 7 K. In terms of straight up feats CAS Lucifer and Mandrakk all technically show better feats then Perpetua. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. P. RealityWarper. 14 years ago. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. But basically Dr. The One Above All; Beyonder (Pre Retcon). 4,925 4,750. 2. R1/R2 - Depends which Post retcon as their is two, this goes for Molecule man also, the Half Cosmic cube MM and Beyonder and the Inhuman/mutant Beyonder and the Beyonders powered MM. This proves by showing you that he read the writer's mind and was able to talk to him and not only that, shred the comic-book and escaping to reality in 'Defenders: Beyond (2022-23)'Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Beyonder stomps Whole Touhou fodder verse with a thought,while beyonder has feats and proof of being 1-A(Outversal) not being limited to infinitely high geometric dimensions to the verse itself, there is touhou's verse in which the dimensions have been debunked and do not qualify as superior and the ability of yukari only works on beings of a level below her and does not work on beings of a. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. " (Fun fact, guys like EGD and Beyonder exists outside. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. He killed all the beyonders who were the grown ups of this pre Retconned beyonder and literally absorbed their power and he was able to actually trap am. beyonder (pre-retcon) old ones (the dark tower) the beyonders the dark tower Replies: 18; Forum: Versus Threads; the beyonders vs the Downstreamers. Superhuman. Register Sign in. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. That’s how many drops of water there are in the ocean and marvel was only 1 drop compared to the beyonders power. Lucifer Morningstar (DC) Respect Lucifer Morningstar! (DC/Vertigo) I am a bot | About | Code | Opt-out | Missing or wrong characters? Reply explaining the issue. Also, it's important to know Molecule Man has also so been retconned, so you should put Pre-Retcon Molecule Man. Keenko. Unwritten Leviathan are highly hyperversal, if not extraversal. Now after the retcon the Living Tribunal, and by extension Michael and Lucifer are above the Beyonder. Follow 3209. 3. ~Old CBR Post Count: 834~. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. 4 12 12 comments Best Top New Controversial Q&A CynicalWeeaboo • 7 yr. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. You know that. . The first firmanent would be the only being who could challege beyonder in a fair fight . They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. Galactus (when reasonably fed) and the strongest Celestials. Beyonder is a top tier reality warper there is no spoon there is no trigger there is no SOK. 5. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is. Tier: Varies, At least 2-A | At least 1-B, Likely Higher | Likely 1-A, Far Higher | High 1-A. Grace ended months ago, but I'm pretty sure Aka's High 1-B key is being downgraded (still high 1-B but much lower on the tier). Thus, Bill, in theory, could do something that the Beyonder never. Lucifer Morningstar at his strongest is Oblivion-tier. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. That's actually like a low showing for him. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. it would be mostly stalemate. Apr 2014. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. True Form Pennywise ain't on Pre-Retcon Beyonder's level, lol. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. 81. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. The Beyonder, and Molecule man, are each. Eg: The D's from Tenchi Muyo!, Giygas from Earthbound, Kubik and Post - Retcon Beyonder both from Marvel Comics, Milleniummon from Digimon, and Q from Star Trek, Celestial level: Easily universe. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. All reality was a dream created by Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. akuto fictionally transcends an uncountably infinite layered hierarchy of characters who are above the concepts of space & time and/or platonic forms in nature which also contains all possibilities & impossibilities, & each tier in the hierarchy fictionally transcends the one below it, making even the lowest characters in the hierarchy very high into high. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. Forum Posts. Follow 12333. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. Forum Posts. 5 years ago. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. But This Gaunlet is way out of order, why the heck is Odin and Zeus above Molecule Man. I can break this down into more detail. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A(more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B(same as The Beyonder). Dlaek66669; Thread;Business, Economics, and Finance. ) Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. u/nullfather can attest to that. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. Teams that give him a good enough fight to make him respect them he lets live. Similarly, two characters in the same tier need not necessarily be equivalent in terms of power. Honestly, current molecule man is a powerhouse even now, maybe even more so than his Pre-Retcon self. Follow 1128. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. Follow 1963. 4 years ago. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . Using the Pre-Retcon Beyonder here is just severe overkill. 2 years ago. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. And form. Follow 41274. please everyone change your vote there is no way Beyonder (pre retcon) looses here the "FRA" movement here is based off a. He. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just wishes Spectre to be gone and that's it. Tier Limit-Outerversal. If someone can actually name a more. #31. In 1985, before any changes were made to the story, The Beyonder was a. One of the most controversial fights in various sites across the web, finally arrives here. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Business, Economics, and Finance. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. The one below all (TOBA). Wiki Points. Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The Mage: Molecule Man: Round 2: The Mages are Marauders. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. 3 + (STR*0. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Tier: 1-B | 1-A Gender: Inapplicable Classification: Cosmic Entity Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Nigh Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Nigh Omniscience, Remote Mind Control, Reality Embodiment, Reality Condition, Physical Law Immunity, Reality Warping Weaknesses: None Notable Destructive Capacity: Beyond. Inhuman Mutant beyonder probably pretty sure it was his powers in spidey that let him remake all creation in a fraction of a second. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Both are in character. Inhuman Mutant beyonder probably pretty sure it was his powers in spidey that let him remake all creation in a fraction of a second. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. -. He's been away from the Marvel Universe for a while but now he's back in all of his overpowered. The Beyonder should easily be Tier 0 and here's why:-. #4. Beyonder Boy ("Incomplete Cosmic Cube"): Single Mother of Three (Perpetua): Noneless21 He/Him 7,323 4,911. 1. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael DemiurgosAll Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. However, since infinite force and energy is the highest degree of strength that a character can reach in terms of physics there would be no level of power above what is necessary to destroy an infinite universe, i. 2. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve. . (They Became the HOI, basically writer tier, or paper tier). Nice. my favourite DC tier 1 Beyonder: 1 TTR: Over 8 The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Quantu. 0. beyonder post retcon iii (aka beyonder of the beyonders) The Life-force is powerful than The Beyonder's power. "For the. I agree with his tier, but one thing I don't understand is how is beyonder above Oblivion when he is just above existene while Oblivion is not part of. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War but you can apply that to any evil character with vagueish powers, like Cyttorak or whatever. Beyonder is a cosmic Marvel Comics comic entity created by Jim Shooter, Mike Zeck and John Beatty. • 1 year ago. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. Yes. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. 0. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder was being overwhelmed by The Phoenix Force. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Sorted by: 9. Origin: Marvel Comics. First Tier Mages vs Molecule Ma Round 1: The Mages are sane and aren't Marauders. Phoenix isn't above Pre-Retcon Beyonder, Beyonder was merely overwhelmed by the knowledge that each individual has their own life and began to understand why he should care. Takes place in an abandoned multiverse. English Branch All Mighty can knock out SK tier entities by casting flood and elder gods who hold back from accidentally destroying entirety of existence are sitting in his shadows, that's enough for both lucifer and beyonder. 26,333. @mr-yes: Yeah I don't see how this makes him stronger than this Beyonder, who tangibly bypassed all of Marvel cosmology (even the parts supposedly "beyond" it) and did his Pre-Retcon feats as a. Post retcon would be a closer fight. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Summary. Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation)beyonder (pre-retcon) eternity galactus (marvel comics) marvel comics molecule man oblivion thanos (marvel comics) the beyonders the first firmament the living tribunal Replies: 12; Forum: Questions and AnswersPre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Yep. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. Age: Unknown. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. First firament might exist before all the 8 creations but beyonder comes from different multiverse which treats the Marvel creation as a droplet of water . Posts. Speed. Forum Posts. Pre Retcon Beyonder is multiversal while Homelander is low A tier. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Origin: Marvel Comics. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. CryptoCurrent MM isn't that strong in comparison to a high-tier reality warper. What Makes marvel only H1B while DC is Layers into Tier 0? Does DC truly scale higher than Marvel, is it the other way around or are they practically equal?. Pennywise beyond infinite-D has no basis. Planetary. What teams could maybe stand a chance against pre-retcon Beyonder? Total defeat optional (if possible). "But only in their dreams can men be truly free. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence.